well, in four days president obama and mitt romney will square off in the first presidential debate of the election cycle. a third man is fighting for his say on that stage wednesday night in denver. do not expect to see former new mexico governor gary johnson flanking the president and mr. romney despite the best efforts of his attorneys. the libertarian candidate is that third man. he has now filed an anti-trust lawsuit saying it's a conspiracy he's not invited to the debates. gary johnson joins me now. good day to you, governor. nice to see you again. >> hey. thank you for having me on, alex. >> well, before we talk about this lawsuit i want to put out the numbers here. among likely voters nationally speaking when you're the mix with president obama and mitt romney you get 6% of the vote. that is the best you have polled nationally. but the bar is set by the presidential election commission. it stands at 15%. so do you expect to get there at any point? >> well, let me state the obvious here, alex. do you hear my name six times for every time you hear obama or romney's name 100 times